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Tannerman
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Are you curious about the recently-announced Kidology Coaching program?
Feel free to ask questions here or interact about this new initiative. 
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PastorTMcKeever
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Can we see what the units will cover?
Will this be more for newbies or those who have been doing it 15+ years?
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llyolf
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now looking back at the how old are you thread... I am worried... there isn't wind sprints involved is there??
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I too am interested in what will be covered in each unit. Are there mutliple coaches, if so, who will they be?
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I'm interested ..but need to be careful because of the cost. Don't want to duplicate learning, although I think I can always learn, I'd like to focus on specific areas that I am weak in.
I wonder if we can bounce around topics rather than in numerical order? I'm just so busy right now that I can't spend time on topics that I already am familiar with or are not pressing at the moment. I probably don't need the "kidology certification" at the immediate moment.
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Great Questions! We know this is new and a significant investment for churches or individuals, so we will be preparing much more info in the weeks ahead to help better explain the progam. (In fact, next week our first Kidology Coach, Barney Kinard, will be coming here to Chicago all the way from California to help prepare a video interview, audio unit overviews, and more.) But let me say while "new" to Kidology, the program is not new, but beyond the 40+ years of ministry experience poured into its development, Barney has been writting the material for the past six years, and mentoring students through it for the past three in the Southern California area, and we are happy to enable him to expand his impact via the Internet on Kidology.org
While Barney will be the coach and can best answer your questions, I can answer some of these questions for you now. Barney has just returned from a mission trip to India, but will chime in here too soon.
PastorTMcKeever wrote:
| Will this be more for newbies or those who have been doing it 15+ years? |
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While the Kidology Coaching program is probably best suited for those new to children's ministry, it may be just what a veteran needs if they are thinking of stepping out into new territory as a children's ministry professional of some sort. Since it is personalized coaching "who it is for" is not as important as "what do you need?" The curriculum is not the teacher - the coach is. The materials you will receive are the sum of over forty years of ministry experience and will be launching points for personal discussion and exploration. Kidology Online Training (Launching September 2008 as well) will offer a systematic training by topic. It will be a self-study course that an unlimited number of people can watch and learn from (and skip around according to need), and therefore will be less expensive. But with Kidology Coaching you are also purchasing time with an experienced leader who will get to know your needs and offer customized solutions and recommendations as you journey through the materials.
PastorTMcKeever wrote:
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Kidology Coaching is not a "topic" driven program, it is a relationship driven program. Rather than cover just one topic each month, EVERY UNIT will have valuable resources on EVERY of the following topics. No, you will not "cover them all" - instead your exposure will be broader and then more focused according to what your needs are.
The topics in EVERY UNIT include: Vision & Philosophy, Personal and Ministry Disciplines, Goal Development, Bible Texts (related to CM), Kid-Text Commentaries, Kidology (kid culture insight), Organization & Administration, Evangelism Venues, Evangelism Models, Evangelism Tips, Crusade Collection, Promotion & Marketing, Gospel Methodology, Teaching with Objects, Trick-Brain Magic Course, Puppetry & Ventriloquism, Storytelling, Object Lesson Routines, Gospel Magic Routines, Family Resources, Kid-Mission Resource, Children’s Ministry Quotes, Research about Children, Testing Devices & Materials and more.
jonimom4 wrote:
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As stated above, the units are not broken into "topics" - every unit included helpful resources on EACH of the topics above, but they built upon the previous units and develop as the units progress. At the end of the Coaching Program, you will have a notebook that is 4-5 inches thick with helpful articles and resources, but more importantly, you will have journeyed with a Coach who gives personal support as you develop as a leader. What YOU get out of Kidology Coaching will be as unique as YOU.
llyolf wrote:
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fortunately, no.
Kidzuma wrote:
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Right now we have only one Coach, Barney Kinard, who is the author of the extensive materials that students will receive with each unit - and i should mention that much of the Kidology Coaching content is exclusive to Coaching Students and is not found on Kidology.org in the Zones. These resources are very detailed and some require some explanation to be fully appreciated and applied to ministry for maximum impact.
In time, we may add Coaches as the demand grows, but due to the personal time investment of the coaches, we do not anticipate adding coaches for at least a year, and we need to make sure that they have not only the experience and wisdom that will help others, but the time and commitment to invest in mentoring others.
Having said that, Kidology Coaching IS LIMITED to only 20 students initially, and then there will be a waiting list. If that waiting list gets too long, then we will begin to prepare to add coaches.
Kidology Coaching is ideal for churches who hire from within the church and either can't afford college training, don't have a university nearby, or the leader being trained doesn't have the time or flexibility to attend classes. Not too mention that a classroom course, if available, is rarely personalized to your specific ministry needs.
We hope that Kidology Coaching meets a real need to equip those who find themselves in children's ministry and wish they had someone more experienced to walk alongside them for a year. Or to work with them to prepare for a new venture.
I hope this helps answer some of your questions. But keep 'em coming... we are here to equip and encourage YOU and we are excited to be able to do so in much more personal ways in the months and years ahead.
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Tannerman
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Just a heads up for those interested in learning more about Kidology Coaching, we've just posted a video interview with our first coach to help explain a little more about what the program is about.
Watch the interview
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Well, Hello there! This is Barney Kinard here, the Coach referred to above. Many of your questions have been addressed in the attached interview. I would suggest that each of preview the interview for more understanding about what the Kidology Coaching Program includes. I will now be looking at this forum discussion, so you can ask your questions and I will make myself available to discuss any of your questions about this new program. Hoping to helpful. BK
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There is more Kidology Coaching Feedback here to help you see how others are benefiting from it.
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laurienash
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I am from Australia and am interested in doing the coaching. I got an email back from Kidology that it would be possible for me to do the training here which is fantastic.
Do you have to finish each topic within the month? And can you go a few weeks before you purchase a new unit?
And as I live in Australia would there be a time problem with the phone calls?
Laurie Nash
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laurienash
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I just read the feedback and had another question re the notebook. Is this something you are sent?
And also do you have more details on the MP3?
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laurienash wrote:
| I am from Australia and am interested in doing the coaching. I got an email back from Kidology that it would be possible for me to do the training here which is fantastic. Do you have to finish each topic within the month? |
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No, you go at your own pace, whatever that pace may be. On average it takes students over a month to finish each unit as they are also in ministry and other life events at times pull them away from focusing on the coaching, but they plug away as they are able. Your coach will work with you at the pace you need, so no worries!
laurienash wrote:
| As I live in Australia would there be a time problem with the phone calls? |
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The only "problem" will be the fact that you are on the other side of the earth... literally!  But I'm sure you and Barney will be able to arrange a time that works for both of you.
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I just read the feedback and had another question re the notebook. Is this something you are sent?And also do you have more details on the MP3? |
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Yes, the notebook is sent, however, it may be easier for you in Australia to just buy a 4 inch notebook and let your coach send you the inserts electronically. We mail it here as a courtesy, but with the shipping costs, I'm sure it would be less for you to just buy one there.
The MP3 is a 30-45 minute introduction to each unit made by the Coach that introduces you to the significant content you get with each unit.
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I am just putting my Children's Ministry budget together for 2009 and am very interested in the coaching. I would potentially like to start in January 2009, but would first like to know if there are any spots available, as I read Barney only takes 20 students at a time. Would I be able to reserve a spot for January?
Thanks!
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Tannerman
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lauraj3200 wrote:
| Also, silly question, I need to change my forum id name, as Laura is no longer around and I am the new account manager. How do I do this? |
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Please open a request with Kidology Support stating your current Forum ID as well as 3 options of what you'd like it changed to.
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Kidhelper
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FYI, There are currently seven in the on-line Kidology Coaching Program. There is still room for others and we would welcome you. You should not have any problem starting your coaching program in January. Barney, the Coach
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Just thought some of you might like to know that there are now nine in the Kidology Coaching Program. We have made a few changes in the program. For one we have waived the application and registration fee. It is cheaper to sign up right now. Also I was making monthly Coaching Calls, now we do weekly emails and weekly calls, which is proving to help both the protege and the coach stay in touch with real ways to help their children's ministry. Any more questions? Fire away, maybe we can help you get started in the coaching program soon. Barney, the coach
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Kidologist wrote:
Kidology Coaching is ideal for churches who hire from within the church and either can't afford college training, don't have a university nearby, or the leader being trained doesn't have the time or flexibility to attend classes. Not too mention that a classroom course, if available, is rarely personalized to your specific ministry needs. |
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Speaking as a person who is currently enrolled in the coaching program and who also has had formal college training, I think that statement is misleading. Very little, if any, of this material was covered in college. This stuff isn't "theoretical," it's very practical "apply-it-right-now" kind of stuff. I don't know if I still qualify as a newbie after 11 years or so in children's ministry but I have gotten a lot of out of the program so far and I'm only halfway through.
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I second Eric's comment. I have college as well as a seminary degree, yet what is covered is highly practical and usable in daily ministry, things that are not necessarily covered in either educational opportunities. In other words, it's more than just "intro to children's ministry."
Ialso think that a big part of the value of this program is that we have a personal coach who helps us to think and process issues. He helps us to see things from a different perspective. Coach Barney's objectiveness and investment in us and our success is really invaluable.
People that have been in ministry for a while will find this very helpful to get better at what they do.
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There are currently 10 protege's in the Kidology Coaching Program as we start the new year. If you are interesting in joining us, now would be a good time to consider it.
Those in other countries, we are looking into Skype, as a solution for the weekly phone call done in U.S. This would handle the international issues, but the time zones would have to be worked out for weekly calls to work.
If you have more questions, fire away, we will try to answer your concerns. It is a very flexible program, based upon the student's needs and schedule.
Coach Barney
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Here is a great quote we recently got from one of the Kidology Coaching students:
Erica Miracle wrote:
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If you are looking for a Coach, you may find Kidology Coaching exactly what you were needing, even more than you may even realize now.
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I am one of those referred to in earlier as a "hired within the church". I do well with organization, having things run smoothly, but am at a l complete loss when it comes to what's next - determining a vision, generating enthusiasm, training.
So I guess my question is this: is the coaching program for those who already have these things and just need to improve on them, or someone starting from scratch and clueless?
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PastorTMcKeever
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Allow me to borrow a little piece from our first page of our coaching material:
What Mentoring IS…
Mentoring is the making of the mentor’s personal strength, resources, and network (friendships/contacts) available to help a protégé uncover and reach his or her goals.
What Mentoring is NOT…
• Mentoring is not using a protégé to accomplish the mentor’s goals
• Mentoring is not helping you to become another me! Rather is helping you become a fully developed you!
Bottom line, coaching is for anyone anywhere in their journey. I even have a whole tab (12 units) devoted to the "Next" that people need to keep an eye on to keep moving. These are the things that needs to be developed, planned, promoted, to be delivered.
Coaching is about "you" and where you are.
Go to a conference and drink from a fire hydrant. Drink from the great stuff the presenter pours out to you that is working in their church.
Coaching is take drinks of water from a cup and about where you are at and the unique culture of where you are.
So come Veteran or come Clueless, we will help with a game plan for you.
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Also JLWest, welcome to the forums. I noticed after I posted that this was your first post. So welcome into a great family and if there is anything else we can do for you let us know.
I look forward to hearing or even maybe taking part in the potential coaching praise reports you will have if you choose.
Blessings.
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JLWest, Good Question, let me take a try with my answer. The Kidology Coaching Program is for both those just starting out or in those with experience that want to take their ministries to another level. Our team is highly experienced, and as Todd mentioned, we focus on finding out where the student is now and then we work together on moving their ministry forward. We have beginners, some totally untrained with experience and some trained, but not experienced. Some are Ordained or Licensed Children's Pastors and some are brand new to childrens' ministry, with little or no creditial. The age range is from 20-62 years old. We have big churches and small churches and some new church plants in schools and theaters. Some are salaried and some are not. Some are preparing for part-time, half time, three-quarter time or full-time positions. I have two that in between positions now. I have one married with ten kids, and we have two, who just got married in 2009. We welcome all comers, I have had two clowns, one evangelist, two magicians, one writer, two Children's Missionaries, fourteen Children's Pastors, and one ventriloquist. Three are young mothers with children. We are curriculum-based coaches, that work through a core of material, but we are also relationship specialists and can accommodate to meet the real needs of those we serve. This flexibility is becoming highly valued by our students. If you have more questions, let Todd or I know, we will try to answer them for you. Coach Barney Kinard
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Kidology Network Forum : Let's Talk Children's Ministry
Topic: Let’s talk Kidology Coaching
